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Yes, I mean, you know, it's... I haven't felt the need to take up like the Guardian's offer of

counselling for journalists who are too, beaten. I haven't needed any

special counselling. No.

Which is nice. You know, it's nice when there's a week

when one can say that. Yeah. I mean, for clarity,

I'm not under any illusions about how awful the news has been.

Oh, no, no, no, no. But I'm up for the fight.

Also, you know, it's nice to know what one has to do.

Yes, exactly. That's clarity is better than hope.

And we, and the topic of this podcast is going to be about some of the clarity that has

dawned on us in the last 40s.

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