Trump vs International Law (Robert Wright & Mark Leon Goldberg)
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🗓️ 3 February 2025
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0:28 Mark’s newsletter, podcast, and Bloggingheads roots 3:45 Is Trump really anti-internationalist? 8:30 Who was the most pro-UN post-Cold-War president? 13:25 Is global governance doomed? 17:16 Scoring the UN’s post-Cold War track record 24:08 ICC and ICJ 101 33:17 Why the WHO matters 39:48 Heading to Overtime
Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Mark Leon Goldberg (Global Dispatches, To Save Us From Hell). Recorded January 30, 2025.
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero podcast. |
| 0:29.1 | Hi, Mark. |
| 0:30.4 | Hey, Bob. |
| 0:31.7 | How you doing? |
| 0:33.1 | I am doing well. |
| 0:35.0 | Honored to be with you, sir. |
| 0:36.7 | Well, it's an honor to have you. |
| 0:38.0 | Let me introduce this. |
| 0:38.8 | I'm Robert Wright, publisher with the non-zero newsletters. |
| 0:40.8 | This is the non-zero podcast. |
| 0:42.9 | You're Mark Leon Goldberg. |
| 0:45.0 | And first of all, you publish a substack called Global Dispatches. |
| 0:49.8 | And your host of not one but two podcasts, well, your co-host of one called To Save Us From Hell, which you co-host with kind of a scholar of UN. |
| 0:59.9 | I assume that's a phrase that somebody once said about the UN, it's here to save us from hell. |
| 1:05.0 | Yeah, well, so Doug Hammershold, the second UN, Secretary General, once famously said that the United Nations was not created to |
| 1:12.9 | save us. Let me say that again. From heaven, of course, because they wouldn't do that. To deliver us to heaven, |
| 1:19.1 | but to save us from hell. And yeah, that's where we got the name of that podcast. It's a new one. |
| 1:26.3 | We started it in June. It publishes every other week. |
| 1:30.8 | My co-host is Anjali Dyal, who is a scholar of the United Nations at Fordham University, |
| 1:35.2 | and just a great co-host with whom I have a rapport. And Global Dispatches is the longest-running |
| 1:41.7 | independent international affairs podcast. I started it, |
| 1:49.6 | believe it or not, in 2012, have been publishing two episodes a week, every week since then. |
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