You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero Podcasts.

Hi, Paul.

Hi, Bob.

How you doing?

Good, good.

Lots of, lots going on here in D.C. in the last two weeks as you probably know we're

we feel like you're drinking from a fire hose but we're hanging yeah and it sounded like it took

a little effort for you to say good to be honest i know there are aspects of the world you're

you're not thrilled with we'll get to all that let me introduce it first i'm robert wright

publisher of non-zero newsletter this is the Non-Zero podcast. You are Paul Triolo. One of our leading

authorities on technology in China, we're lucky to have you at this particular moment. You are a

partner for China and technology policy at the Consult group Albright stonebridge. Is that still

accurate? Yes, correct. Yes. And, and you've got a newsletter called AI stack decrypted, pretty

new on substack. People should subscribe for your insights, right? Yes, I'm trying to focus sort of narrowly on AI and U.S.-China competition in that arena

and all the many, many issues around that that we'll talk about.

A lot.

So we're going to talk about the so-called AI race between the U.S. and China, whether it should be called that,

whether we should encourage thinking about it that way.

We'll certainly get into deep seek the,

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