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Copaganda with Alec Karakatsanis [TEASER]

5-4

Prologue Projects

News Commentary, News, Government

4.63.2K Ratings

🗓️ 3 June 2025

⏱️ 5 minutes

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Summary

Crime rates are at historic lows, yet year after year, people say that they feel unsafe and believe crime is rising. You can thank the news media with help from corporations and law enforcement narratives. We speak with civil rights lawyer Alec Karakatsanis about his new book, Copaganda: How Police and the Media Manipulate Our News.


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5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations. Transcriptions of each episode are available at fivefourpod.com 


Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On BlueSky, find Peter @notalawyer.bsky.social, Michael @fleerultra.bsky.social, and Rhiannon @aywarhiannon.bsky.social.


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0:00.0

Hey everyone. This is Leon from Prologue Projects.

0:08.2

On this subscriber-only episode of 5 to 4, Peter, Riannon, and Michael are talking to civil rights lawyer

0:14.3

Alec Karakatsanas about his new book, Copaganda, How Police and the Media manipulate our news.

0:20.8

In his new book, Alec takes a wide-ranging look at the ways in which news coverage of crime and public safety

0:26.4

is shaped by corporate interests and law enforcement talking points and contributes to a climate

0:31.6

of fear that in turn justifies repressive public policy.

0:35.1

This is 5 to 4, a podcast about how much the Supreme Court and the punishment bureaucracy suck.

0:44.7

Welcome to 5 to 4, where we dissect and analyze the Supreme Court cases that have attacked our civil rights, like our neighborhood cat attacking the chipmunks in my backyard.

0:53.7

I'm Peter. I'm here with Michael. Hey, everybody. And Riannon.

0:58.6

Hello. Hi, everyone. And we are joined by Alec Herk Katanas, civil rights lawyer and founder of

1:04.7

Civil Rights Corps. Hi, everybody. Welcome back to the show. Hi, Alec. Thanks for having me back.

1:11.0

Maybe our most frequent, no, that's got to be Jay Willis or Josie Duffy Rice.

1:17.5

Yeah, but Alec is up there.

1:19.2

He's in contention.

1:20.7

Yeah, yeah.

1:21.7

This has got to be, I want to say this is like the third appearance by Alec on five to four.

1:26.7

That sounds right.

1:27.6

White Boy Hall of Fame.

1:29.1

We had exciting conversations about younger abstention, if I recall correctly.

1:32.7

The criminalization of poverty.

1:34.6

Yes.

1:34.9

That's right.

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