Trump Turns On Starmer
Politics Unpacked
Anna Covell
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🗓️ 20 January 2026
⏱️ 29 minutes
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Donald Trump has attacked Britain’s decision to hand over the Chagos Islands, using it to argue that the US needs Greenland. As relations with Washington grow more unpredictable, how should Keir Starmer respond?
Hugo Rifkind unpacks the politics of the day with Jenni Russell and James Marriott.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, I'm Hugo Rifkin, and now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day, |
| 0:09.3 | from how Kirstama should handle Donald Trump to where the Tories end up if their right wing disappears entirely, |
| 0:14.6 | and yes, we'll of course track the biggest diplomatic crisis of all, the Brooklyn Pelt's Beckham family feud going nuclear. |
| 0:22.3 | And joining me are the Posh and Becks of the Times, although which is which. And they are Jenny Russell. Hello, Jenny. |
| 0:27.2 | Definitely Bex. I played football as a teenager. That makes for the very posh. James Marriott. Hello, |
| 0:33.1 | yeah. I think that makes sense. I think the footballing ability point just wipes me out on the |
| 0:36.9 | Beck's run. James, have you ever done a dance on someone? No, I've never really even done a dance anywhere. We will come back to all that joy later, I promise. But first, perhaps more important matters. Sarkia Starrma's strategy has been to build his relationship with Donald Trump to avoid the worst of the president's tendency to lash out with tariffs and to try and shape Trump's behavior towards the UK's interest. |
| 0:59.3 | But is it working? This morning Trump said the UK has acted with great stupidity over the Chegos |
| 1:04.3 | Ireland deal and he went on to say that it strengthens his argument for an American-controlled |
| 1:08.5 | Greenland. Speaking to Stig Abel on Times Radio Breakfast, the chief secretary to the Prime Minister, Darren Jones, said he was fine with Trump's comments. Well, the treaty has already been signed. So it's a done deal? Yeah, the treaty's been signed with the American government. So I can't reverse the clock on that. The treaty's been signed. Parliament has a kind of enabling function on treaties. It's not like a traditional |
| 1:29.0 | piece of legislation. So it can't unwind the treaty having been signed. Well, Times Radio also |
| 1:35.0 | spoke to the former Labour Foreign Secretary Jack Straw. I think that the best approach that I know of |
| 1:41.7 | is the one that's being adopted by our Prime Minister, K Stama. It's very hard. It's very frustrating. I'm sure there have been on |
| 1:49.0 | occasions where Sequeir has said things to himself in the shaving mirror about |
| 1:55.1 | Mr Trump that he would not wish to be repeated. But he is an example of how to handle Donald Trump. It is |
| 2:04.1 | infinitely better than challenging Trump's ego to which there is no limit. Jenny, look, will |
| 2:12.1 | perhaps come to the sort of nuts and bolts of the Chegos issue in a moment, but does this, |
| 2:15.8 | does this sort of just show what's |
| 2:17.5 | happened this morning, that Keir-Stama's just got his strategy with Donald Trump wrong, that you try and suck up to him, you try and be nice to him, you moderate your language, but he still sort of turns his blow-torch of ire on you whenever he feels like it? I think the problem is that this is an unprecedented situation. I mean, I have many, many criticism of Keir Stama in general, |
| 2:35.0 | but there is no strategy that anybody can adopt with Donald Trump and know that it's going to work. |
| 2:40.0 | I mean, we're handling somebody who is a cross between a kind of snarling animal at turns, |
| 2:46.4 | you know, wanting to bear his teeth and say, look, I'm the biggest dog and everyone else has to do what I say, |
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