Michael Popog, legal AF, Mark Meadows doesn't fundamentally understand what his role was as chief of staff.

And that's the reason that democracy was almost toppled.

How do I know that?

Because look at the position that Mark Meadows is taking in federal court,

in which he testified, waved his Fifth Amendment privilege in order to argue his fundamental

misunderstanding and misapprehension of what the chief of staff's role is in the White House.

He thought, apparently, that it was some sort of, um,

bootlicker, some sort of coffee getter, some sort of paper pusher.

And then he would just schedule the meetings.

And if Donald Trump wanted to have a phone call to advocate the overthrow of democracy,

what's a chief of staff is supposed to do?

You arrange that phone call to one of your jobs.

You go to buildings, I'm paraphrasing his lawyers, you go to buildings, you go to meetings,

you go to ribbon, ribbon cuttings, you get coffee, you arrange phone calls.

That's just normal.

That's a, that is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the role of that,

position is, and this is why we got into so much trouble because we didn't have an

adult in the room, in the White House, in the Oval Office to keep Donald Trump

as far away from his deepest, darkest insurrectionist urgings as possible.

It's a very good article in the New York Times that I want to credit, um,

written by Chris Whipple in the op-ed piece of the New York Times about a book that

he's just come out with called gatekeepers.

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