Hello, hello, I'm Hugo Rifkind and now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day,

from whether the rules-based order still exists to the case for a return to wartime frugality in Britain,

and also inevitably cloning corgis. And with me now, apparently they're real, although we'll test this,

I'm joined by Libby Purvis.

Hello, Libby.

Hello.

The real Libby or a clone of Libby?

A clone, a clone.

That's fine.

As long as she's got all the attributes of the usual Libby, I'm not too bothered.

And Seb Payne, Seb, who are you a clone of?

I think I'm just a clone of myself, Hugo. I'm actually here and I'm in front of you.

So if you can't tell that I'm real,

I'm quite worried about your state of being at the moment. There could be another one downstairs, still at his desk in the leaders department. Exactly. He must be dead worried that you've cloned James Marriott, actually, because he used to be there. Claiming, we've done the opposite of cloning. If we, much, much as we love having Seb here, if we have cloned James, we'd have several of him, and Seb would be, well, we'd have Seb too. And Libby. You could have just have James married every day. I'm sure people would much prefer that. Armies of you all. Let's move on from nonsense, talk about some news. First up, either of you lost your phones over the weekend. Everything all right? Yeah? Yep, mine's still here. Well, unlike Morgan McSweeney, he didn't lose it this weekend, but a mobile phone used by Morgan McSweeney was, while he was Sirkees-Time as Chief of Staff has apparently been stolen, fueling concern that messages relating to Lord Mandelson's appointment as Britain's ambassadors to the United States could be lost. The phone was apparently taken last year. the data kept on it can no longer be accessed. Mson reported this over the weekend. Lots of papers following up today. Seb. Really? I know. You have to raise your eyebrow a little bit at this with a lot of comparisons obviously being made to Rebecca Vardy when her phone was dropped in the North Sea. I think it was. So there's a couple of questions raised by this.

First of all, Morgan McSweener is a special advisor,

which means he probably had two mobile phones

because most people who work in government

have their official phone,

which will have their emails on,

and everything in that is captured into official records and FOI.

But a lot of special advisors don't, for some reason, want to put all of their communications on that, so they have

their own personal phone. And this is the so-called government by WhatsApp. You see with a lot

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