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The Counsel

Trump Tariffs Teetering on Extinction

The Counsel

Vox Media Podcast Network

News, Politics

4.7861 Ratings

🗓️ 7 November 2025

⏱️ 12 minutes

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Summary

Elie Honig is a former Assistant U.S. Attorney and co-chief of the organized crime unit at the Southern District of New York, where he prosecuted more than 100 mobsters, including members of La Cosa Nostra, and the Gambino and Genovese crime families. He went on to serve as Director of the Department of Law and Public Safety at New Jersey Division of Criminal Justice. He is currently Special Counsel at Lowenstein Sandler and a CNN legal analyst.  For a transcript of Elie’s note and the full archive of contributor notes, head to CAFE.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:31.5

Hey everyone, Ellie here, wishing you a happy Friday.

0:34.7

I want to start off this week on two positive notes, both of them relating

0:39.3

to the oral argument in the Supreme Court that happened on Wednesday in the tariff case.

0:45.4

Now, maybe some of you or many of you listened to this. I was helping cover it live for CNN,

0:50.7

and I had two sort of really positive thoughts. First of all, it's good that we do this,

0:55.8

that we actually can listen live to the audio, not yet the video, but the audio of U.S.

1:02.4

Supreme Court arguments. And remember, this is a recent phenomenon. The court only started

1:07.7

doing this during COVID, so five years ago or so.

1:11.4

It was long overdue, and it's just a good thing for our government and our public that we can

1:16.7

see the justice, well, sorry, not see here the justice process at work.

1:22.5

Second of all, listening to these arguments, it just occurred to me that this is one of the few remaining places

1:30.5

in our public life, in our government, where you can witness deeply substantive, thoughtful

1:37.5

exchange of ideas. Not everyone's perfect. Some of the questions maybe were intended to get you on the lawyers. That's

1:45.7

sort of fair play. Maybe once or twice the lawyers went a little off from what other legal folks

1:51.5

thought they should have done. But by and large, this was incredibly high level, smart,

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