We're going to be unpacking the politics of the day and the big stories in world affairs and a bit of nonsense too.

And joining me are two giant brains and they are Sunday Times columnist Matthew Syed. Hello, Matthew.

Hi, Hugo. I don't, have you known you're about to introduce the other guests, but I'm

a never going to run my thunder. He always talks about the big brains, but always with a very

severe hint of irony. See, I'm, I'm taking it.

The other voice you can hear is the historian and columnist Zoe Strimple. Hello, Zoe. Hello. No irony for my big

brain. I'm just, I think that's absolutely, yeah. I mean, I'm a historian after all. Look,

it's lovely to have you both on because I feel you both occupy unique positions in the political,

in the political spectrum. But where are they? Who knows? Somewhere, somewhere between the left

and the right or the middle or somewhere else.

It's less a spectrum and more a more a, more a, what's the word?

A word cloud.

My guest's from the word cloud of British politics join me today.

Or maybe the spectrum that you're describing left and right no longer applies.

Well, maybe.

We've got to place people on this.

Or maybe we're just relics. We're just...

In the early 2000s, we're just centrist, kind of blary types.

But I think that's unfair to you, because I'm at least two decades older. I don't mind being called a relic, including by my kids.

Although, I don't know, probably too complicated the time for them at this stage. Fossil. I'm prepared to agree these days it's less a spectrum and more of a splatter, a nosebleed on a wall.

Let's crack on.

We've got some heavy, heavy things to talk about.

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