I'm Ross Douthett, and this is the argument.

If you've ever taken the time to read this podcast description, you'll know that our

mission is to host arguments from across the political spectrum.

If you listen to the show every week, you'll also notice that I'm usually holding up the

rightmost end of our debates.

But not this week.

On my more liberal co-hosts, Michelle and Frank are on vacation, I'm conducting a temporary

right-wing coup.

I've asked two writers who are somewhat to my right, meaning, among other things, mostly

pro-Trump rather than never-Trump, to join the show.

We'll talk about the president, the pandemic, the Black Lives Matter protests, the 2020 elections,

and the future of conservatism.

Next is Dan McCarthy, the editor of Modern Age, a conservative quarterly of ideas, a director

of journalism fellowships at the Fund for American Studies, and a frequent times op-ed contributor.

He's also been a guest on this show.

Dan, welcome back.

Thanks, Ross.

And joining Dan is Helen Andrews, who is a senior editor at the American Conservative

and the author of Boomers, the Men and Women Who Promised Freedom, and Deliver Disaster,

which is out next January.

Helen, thanks so much for coming on the argument.

Thanks so much for having me.

...