Hello again, I'm Marvin Olney.

On today's climate change update later on in this podcast, the dire federal warning President Trump says he doesn't believe.

First, this.

Well, Mary weeped and Martha Morrow's gone away when Martha's gone.

Mary's gone away.

Marty gone on me. That person work on That person work song comes from Willie Ruffus in 1959.

Well, reform of that reform of contempt comes from Willie Raffus in 1959. Reform of conditions in federal prisons may bring the biggest surprise in this era of almost

unprecedented political polarization. A proposed measure in Congress is bringing together

entrenched forces from the left and the right. Even President

Trump has gone so far as to use a word that has almost lost all its currency. That word,

bipartisan. These members have reached a bipartisan agreement on prison reform legislation known as

the first step. And that's what it is. It's a first step, but it's a very

big first step. Now, prison reform may be an unlikely venue for bipartisanship, but the reality is

that the effort to get tough on crime with harsh mandatory sentences for federal crimes has not

worked. Federal prisons are overflowing. The United States

leads the world in the proportion of its citizens who are doing time. But crime has not gone down.

That's led many conservatives, the Koch brothers included, to support change in the interests of

saving money. Mark Levin is policy director of right on crime. He's also director of the Texas

Public Policy Foundation Center for Effective Criminal Justice. Welcome to To the Point.

Thanks for having me. Tell us, if you will, what is the first step and why are you supportive?

Sure. Well, this is legislation that is based on, we're successful reforms in states across the

country, including many conservative states from Texas to Georgia. And it began in the House as a bill

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