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The TPM Show with Josh and Kate

Trump's Weakness Manifests

The TPM Show with Josh and Kate

Talking Points Memo

Republicans, Politics, Government, News, Democrats

4.81.9K Ratings

🗓️ 13 February 2026

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

Kate and Josh discuss the signs of Trump's growing unpopularity.


Correction: The initial version of last week’s podcast misstated a detail about the Epstein files. That podcast has been updated, and TPM regrets the error.


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0:00.0

Hi, this is Josh Marshall and this is the Josh Marshall podcast featuring Kate Riga.

0:25.0

Today we were talking about before the episode sort of, you know, what are we going to talk about today?

0:32.1

And it's funny because in a way there's a ton of news.

0:36.3

And each morsel of news is about sort of a fraying of support for the president,

0:45.2

a fraying of support for ice, a fraying of support for the wildings breeze we see in different

0:51.8

communities around the United States, especially ice wildings

0:55.0

breeze, especially in Minneapolis. We have votes that aren't going their way, blah, blah, blah,

1:00.3

blah. We're going to kind of dip into that because we have this kind of paradoxical news environment

1:06.1

where there's a lot going on and it's sort of hard to see the common thread,

1:11.6

but there is a common thread, which is a continuing ebbing of public support for the president,

1:19.6

for ICE, for the White House, and you're seeing that come up in different ways.

1:26.6

And it's not always 100% obvious how the thread connects.

1:31.2

You know, what we saw, I believe it was yesterday that he announced this. Tom Homan,

1:36.4

he announced that they are in fact wrapping up the entire operation in Minneapolis.

1:42.8

Clearly they've decided there's no more political juice that is going to be

1:46.9

drawn out of Minneapolis for them. Set aside, you know, how they were doing in deporting people,

1:52.0

which, you know, has never really been the object here. Whatever else we can say about these

1:57.5

ice wilding sprees, they're not the most efficient way to run up your deportation

2:02.9

numbers. They're just not. It is a performative sort of spectacle, and they've decided that there's no more,

2:08.9

no more good to come out of it for them. One thing I wanted to mention here, there was a poll that I saw,

2:15.4

I don't know, in the first week after Alex Pretty was shot.

2:19.0

And as you'd expect, it showed the ongoing bad press. It sort of sounds kind of crude, to put it

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