auction because we're going to quiz him today about what his politics are and we're trying to figure out his economics too.

I think he's pretty good on the economics. I understand he's even heard of the

Mises Institute and human action and he writes books so so I want to welcome our

special guest today David David Stockman, David, say hello.

Good morning or good afternoon.

And I'm happy to be with you, Ron.

And we've been having this conversation for 40 years.

So I think we're pretty familiar with where each other stands.

And I think on some of the big issues of conservative economics,

we obviously stand very much together and we have been I would

own since the very beginning I would only know when you and I were in Congress in

the late 70s you know the federal deficit the total public debt was less than a half trillion dollars.

Here we are at 34 and counting rapidly so you know that's a 72-fold growth just in the period since we've been

having this conversation. Yeah what to say hello there. Well I also want to mention that our viewers, I'm sure, know that David is on our board

at the Ron Paul Institute, so we're doubly happy.

Double plus, good to have you here, David.

So thanks for joining us.

Great.

And you got a new book out and that's one of the things we're going to talk about

and we can put up that cover.

It just came out this month.

It's not going to be controversial.

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