Trump’s War Is Still Going to Cost You
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🗓️ 18 June 2026
⏱️ 26 minutes
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Summary
Oil prices fell when Trump announced a deal had been struck with Iran, but don’t mistake that for things going back to “normal.” We left “normal” a long time ago.
Guest: Justin Wolfers, economist and professor at the University of Michigan, and author and host of Platypus Economics.
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| 0:00.0 | Deal or no deal? For the last few days, that has been the question swirling around the |
| 0:13.0 | U.S. and Iran. Both countries said they were planning to extend their on-again off against ceasefire. |
| 0:24.1 | Neither country seemed eager to share the terms of that agreement in writing until yesterday. |
| 0:31.5 | It's a page and a half. |
| 0:33.4 | Justin Wolfer's from over at Platypus Economics had been waiting for this moment. |
| 0:38.3 | Not like he had high hopes about what he was going to find. |
| 0:41.3 | If someone has something awesome, they can't wait to show it to you. |
| 0:45.8 | Therefore, if they can wait to show it to you, you should infer its... |
| 0:50.3 | Not so great. |
| 0:52.6 | In process, being workshopped. |
| 1:00.1 | President Trump was certainly keeping his options open. He got in front of multiple |
| 1:04.4 | microphones to say he could renege on this ceasefire anytime, that if he did, he could |
| 1:09.5 | simply blame J.D. Vance. But if this thing holds, |
| 1:14.7 | I wanted Justin to explain what happens then? I think of the war in Iran as a crisis of many |
| 1:22.3 | kinds. Yeah. Like it's a human crisis. People have been killed, thousands of people. It's a crisis of democracy because the way we went to war here did not involve Congress, incredibly ham-handed, just stumbling into war. I think of it as a crisis of international diplomacy because of how little we looped in our allies, right? But it was also an economic crisis or is an economic crisis. |
| 1:48.1 | How big of an economic crisis? The answer is really, really big. |
| 1:53.7 | Economically, was this a different kind of crisis than you expected at the beginning of the war? |
| 1:59.0 | Because you came on at the start and you were like, listen, everyone keep your powder |
| 2:05.1 | dry for a second. |
| 2:06.3 | This isn't the 1970s. |
| 2:08.5 | The United States is more energy independent. |
| 2:12.5 | We're going to have to see how this goes. |
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