I'm Hugo Rifkin, and now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day from Trump's attacks on NATO to the moon launch and whether the triple lock is here to stay until I'm claiming my pension at least.

And with me today, successfully circling the moon of political discussion, it's the Sunday Times columnist Josh Glancy. Hello, Josh. Good morning. And also Sarah Daitam. Hello, Sarah. Hello. How are we both? We both well? Pretty strong, yeah. Yeah, pretty perky. Pretty perky, that's good. How are we both feeling about the moon? I love the moon. Right, it's good.

Josh, views on the moon?

Vise on the moon is...

Just the moon in general, not today's story.

We'll come to today's story.

Just generally on the moon.

Pro moon.

Yeah.

Today's story, I actually re-watched John Kennedy's famous,

19602.

Right.

Why we go to the moon speech.

Man, you're seriously into the moon yeah well it's just that

speech always realises if you know there's that very goes um we go not because it was easy

because it is hard do that again we go not because it is easy but because it is hard yeah

and could you do the rest of this section in that voice please you just thought it reminded

me of you know i know it's all a bit chinty and sort of

but like why we love America actually and what's wonderful about America and that sense

of possibility and innovation and just the extraordinary spirit and power of the place.

And yet split screen, you then read all the papers and you think, oh God.

Oh, there's that too.

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