Welcome to the dispatch podcast. I'm Jamie Weinstein. A recent poll by the New York Times in

Siena found that Donald Trump was up in five of six swing states, leading many people to start thinking that there could actually

be a second Donald Trump administration.

This always seemed obvious to me, but it's becoming, I think, more of a reality or at least a

potential reality for, I guess, the general media world.

So with that in mind I have today as a guest Maggie Haberman

who of course is the New York Times Pulitzer winning senior political correspondent

and author of Confidence Man, The Making of Donald Trump

and the Breaking of America.

And I think universally considered

the best source reporter in Trump world to get an insight on exactly what a

second Trump administration would look like, what priorities it would focus on, and

what figures might be staffing.

So without further ado, I give you Maggie Haber. The I want to start with kind of just getting insight from you.

I want to start with kind of just getting insight from you.

You've reported on Donald Trump, obviously,

since he entered political life.

What is the difference reporting on Donald Trump when he's in the White House versus in the

wilderness if you will out of out of office?

That's a really good question. It depends on the moment that we've been in.

Prior to his indictments, it was actually, I think, a little easier to see him.

I mean, you know, we're getting more keyhole views, obviously,

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