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This is words matter with Norm Ornstein. We've got the boats and

screw the rest of you. And Dr. Kavita Patel.

These might be some of the smaller moments, you know, with all the bombshells, didn't catch people's eyes. Hello and welcome to another episode of Words Matter podcast between myself

Kavita Patel and my co-host the amazing Norm Ornstein where we try to

analyze I'd like to say we use the same kind of tagline norm each week as we're leading listeners and and

Viewers of sorts online about what we're addressing with words matter and we had put this around the elections. It's gotten so much

broader than that. So I'll say that each week we try to look at how words actually matter because

they do. And so Norm, how are you doing? I know that you've had a busy week with some ongoing screening of your documentary.

If you want to do a little plug for anybody who wants to find it online,

please do a plug and tell us how you're doing.

So if you wanted to watch a documentary

about where we could actually go on criminal justice and mental illness go to doi-film.com for definition of insanity

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