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Music Hello, and welcome to episode seven of the David Frum show.

I'm David Frum, a staff writer at the Atlantic.

My guest today will be Ambassador Susan Rice.

Susan Rice represented the United States at the United Nations during the First Obama administration. She was national security advisor to President Obama, and then director of the Domestic Policy Council under President Joe Biden.

Before my conversation with Ambassador Rice, I want to open the show by doing something a little different.

I've often taken questions at the end of the show.

This time I'm going to take a question, just one, at the top of the show, and try to answer it here.

Because I think this question is so important, such a key in the lock to all of our contemporary debates. It comes from a young

viewer named Joe in Florida, who's a friend of our families, and he asks, given that working

class wages have been in decline for 40 years, especially for men, why would you expect anyone

to sympathize with the idea of the American system, with free trade. Why wouldn't they

back Donald Trump, given the pressure they're under? The reason this question is so important

is because it reflects an attitude that many liberal-minded people have, which is where you see

a grievance, where you see behavior that is self-harming or harmful to others, there has to be some rational cause behind it,

some material cause behind it,

that when people do something destructive or self-harming,

they are acting out some understandable, cognizable grievance they've got

that somebody could do something about.

And if only we could meet that rational, material basis of their grievance,

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