So Donald Trump has responded to Iran's blockade of the Strait of Hummus by

locating the Strait of Hummus.

That's the timeline we're in.

We've obviously had these negotiations in Islamabad, which have collapsed or have

they collapsed.

You know, we're going to talk about this.

What's actually going on?

Is the war going to restart?

What's the strategy of Donald Trump and Iran? Where's this all leading? And I'm really delighted to have a brilliant

guest today, Kurt Mills, who is, and a lot of you will go, oh, hold on a minute. This is a surprise.

Kurt Mills is the executive editor of the American Conservative. Is that the right? I think of you

the right title. I'm not like added. It works.

It works. I just want to start on that cut, because a lot

people just, they think American Conservative and they think,

oh, well, this guy will be on the Trump train.

So do you want to explain? Just a lot of people find

this quite a fascinating perspective the kind of which is a

tradition you know when i was uh doing my master's i studied the anti imperialist league in the

united states at the turn of the 20th century uh which were not left they sound you'd think now people

think they're lefties but they were not lefties at all, but they feared the republic turning into an empire.

But I'm just interested. You only just set out the kind of American, you're an American

conservative, but this is your stance. Sure, yeah. I mean, as you alluded, there's a long history

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