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Unholy: Two Jews on the News

Trump's Board of Peace - and Unholy Listeners' Therapy with Dr. Orna Guralnik

Unholy: Two Jews on the News

Unholy Media

News, Yonit Levi, News Commentary, Society & Culture, Jews, Religion & Spirituality, Israel, Jewish, Judaism, Israel Podcast, Middle East, Jonathan Freedland, Documentary

4.7770 Ratings

🗓️ 23 January 2026

⏱️ 84 minutes

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Summary

Watch us on Youtube: https://youtu.be/GNEwMea20H4 Greenland, Gaza and the brand-new “Board of Peace”: Donald Trump goes to Davos to unveil his gold-plated rival to the UN and ambitious new blueprint for post-war Gaza. Yonit and Jonathan unpick what it means in practice, how Qatar and Turkey’s involvement is unsettling for Israelis - and why Benjamin Netanyahu may find that being in the hands of Donald Trump is no more comfortable than being in the hands of the UN. Plus, Dr. Orna Guralnik of the TV hit Couples Therapy joins Unholy for an experiment in “listeners therapy”, listening to two teenage friends from Copenhagen, Albert and Benjamin, as they have a raw and unexpectedly hopeful conversation, each determined to stay close to the other even as they disagree fiercely about Israel and the Palestinians.

Transcript

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0:00.0

I think the idea of separating out the very specific content that you might disagree on,

0:08.7

and the process that you're moving through to have the conversation is super important,

0:16.3

that constant attention to the process while you're trying to sort through the complexity of the information

0:23.1

and the facts and the possible solutions and the histories, the different histories involved.

0:30.1

Like, attending to the process while you're doing that is super important.

0:46.3

Thank you. you're doing that is super important. It's Unholy. I'm Jonathan Friedland in London.

0:49.7

And I'm Unite Levy in Tel Aviv.

0:51.3

And you were hearing Dr. Orna Gouranik in a conversation.

0:55.5

We will air later in this show, a really interesting conversation, which we brought in,

1:01.5

Orna, who is a psychologist and a therapist, and she usually, she's famous, I think world

1:06.7

famous for her show, couples therapy.

1:09.6

We wanted her to talk to a pair of friends that we were

1:15.3

in this episode that we're having difficulties over the Israel issue. And I think that's a, it's a

1:20.5

fascinating conversation. We will listen to it later in the show. It really is. And she's obviously

1:25.4

an expert in resolving tensions between people, couples, usually,

1:31.5

but in this case, as you say, a relationship between friends.

1:34.7

And we have noticed, as we say, we've said before on the podcast,

1:39.2

lots of people going through this in the world we're in.

1:42.4

And so we really brought that to it.

1:45.4

We could obviously have a whole separate franchise

1:47.9

of just sort of escape room therapy.

1:51.3

We could call it escape room.

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