This is the Tom Hartman program.

Welcome back, Tom Hartman here with you.

We have been talking basically for several days now about how the white power structure, particularly

in the south but increasingly all across the United States, well it's always been all across

the United States, but you know the south is just famous for, it's just a little more subtle in the north.

Keep black and brown people down.

And I wanted to talk to Don Segalman about this.

He is the last Democratic governor of Alabama from 1999 and 2003.

He was lieutenant governor from 1995 to 1999.

He was the attorney general, the chief law enforcement officer for that state from 1987 and 1991 and the

Secretary of State from 79 to 87. He's the author of our of a new book

stealing our democracy which I wrote an endorsement of stealing our democracy.com and Don Siegelman.org are his

websites and you can tweet him at Don Siegelman.

Governor, welcome back to the program. It's good having you with us. I'm wondering your thoughts on this

intersection of racism and police violence as we're seeing it acted out

today right now. Well Tom I've got several things that I think I can add to this discussion.

First of all, radically changing, transforming the economy, education, health care, and criminal justice is possible, can happen and must happen.

And as evidence of my proposition that it can happen I point to myself as a southern white

guy any war of Jane Fonda, Robert Kennedy liberal who opposed George Wallace,

supported Charles Evers, the brother of Meder Evers when he was running for governor of Mississippi and yet I was able to be elected as you just noted to the four top offices in the probably one of the redest states in America. My point is we can do things, we can make things better, we just

got to have the will, the political will, and to do it. And I hope and I pray that what we have seen and

witness over the last several days will give our politicians

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