If you have the president's attention, you're going to get column inches.

I mean, because that means you have actual power.

I'm Joanna Cole, Chief Content Officer of The Daily Beast.

You are listening to or watching The Daily Beast podcast.

Today we're talking to the Trump biographer,

four biographies, no least, Michael Wolfe, and we'll obviously be talking to him about the

continuing Epstein saga that will not leave the president alone. And wait till you hear

what Michael's saying about what he's hearing from inside the White House

about Jeffrey Epstein and how he died.

But before we do that, I want to address, oh, by the way, myopic viewers may notice

there's a different backdrop.

We've actually moved to a different studio to expand because we're going to be producing

more podcasts for you.

But I wanted to mention another character on the scene that. studio to expand because we're going to be producing more podcasts for you.

But I wanted to mention another character on the scene, that of Laura Luma.

She's a relatively new character in the court of President Trump. And this week she claimed, she says, her 16th scalp, her modus operandi is to find people in government that she thinks are not

loyal to the president. She then points this out and the people are then vaporized in their

job or some of them have chosen to resign. It's again a crazy development and we're going to

go into it with Michael Wolfe So, no time to waste,

admire the art in the background as we get into it. Okay, Michael, so much to discuss, not least Jeffrey

Epstein and the president, but I want to come to that slightly later in the show, because first of all,

I want to take several comments that people have left on our YouTube channel challenging me

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