Today we're going to talk about Trump ducking his debate with Kamala Harris and the broader

consequences of that decision.

And I have two interviews I speak with Senator Elizabeth Warren about the attacks against

Kamala from the right, whether she thinks Biden's Supreme Court reforms will pass and their dangers of Project

2025.

And I interviewed the FTC chair, Lena Khan, about the invaluable work being done to protect consumers.

I'm Brian Teller Cohen, and you're listening to no lie.

So we've been ping-ponging back and forth all week about will Trump debate, won't Trump debate,

and what's become clear to me is this. Donald Trump has no intention of

debating Kamala Harris whatsoever and so his strategy here is just to slowly

keep moving the goalpost to the point where the conditions are just so

unacceptable, so unfair, so tilted in

Trump's favor that it would actually outweigh the benefits of doing the debate

itself. Trump initially claimed that he would totally, definitely debate, but that Fox News should also host one

then he claimed ABC might be too biased then he said he's involved in litigation with

ABC so he can't do the ABC debate and then he just said it's Fox News or nothing

so again the goal post shifted

every single time that he posted his remarks. But let's be clear he always had no

intention of doing the ABC debate and this pivot to Fox was always inevitable.

Now in terms of whether Comelas should do it,

I'm legitimately torn here because on one hand,

Fox is an outlet that was just forced to pay

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