Trump, Putin and the fate of Ukraine – Where next?
This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler
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🗓️ 20 August 2025
⏱️ 33 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | After an intense weekend of international diplomacy, where has the Trump-Putin summit left the prospect of an end to Russia's war on Ukraine? |
| 0:19.0 | After Trump's red carpet treatment for Putin in Alaska, a who's |
| 0:23.5 | who of alarmed European leaders scrambled to join Ukrainian President Volodymy Zelensky |
| 0:29.5 | for their own meeting with Trump in Washington. With details unclear on a host of negotiations |
| 0:36.2 | and measures, from land swaps to security guarantees, |
| 0:39.9 | to sanctions and even a potential meeting between Putin and Zelensky, |
| 0:44.7 | where does the Trump-led peace process leave Ukraine? |
| 0:49.0 | I'm Oz Katterjee, and this is not a drill. Welcome back to this is not a drill. Welcome back to This is Not a Drill. |
| 1:15.6 | Joining me today is Keir Giles, Russia expert at Chatham House, |
| 1:20.1 | an author of Who Will Defend Europe, |
| 1:22.6 | an awakened Russia and a sleeping continent. |
| 1:25.1 | Kear, thank you so much for joining us on the show today. |
| 1:28.9 | So look, it's been a really, really busy week of diplomacy. |
| 1:33.1 | Vladimir Putin ending years of isolation by the West, visiting Alaska. |
| 1:39.2 | Putin hoping to get something out of this trip to America beyond just the ending of isolation to be seen as |
| 1:45.2 | an equal as the US president on the world stage. But he went with designs on the Ukrainians |
| 1:53.3 | withdrawing from Dombas, surrendering territory that Russia hasn't been able to conquer in 11 years |
| 1:59.6 | of war so far. The Ukrainians obviously not interested |
| 2:04.0 | in doing that. But that idea was put forward to Trump. Trump responds with some further pressure |
| 2:11.3 | on Zelensky as tends to happen every time him and Zelensky haven't talked for a while. |
| 2:16.6 | Then Zelensky announces a trip to Washington, |
| 2:20.2 | and he's flanked by many of the most powerful European leaders, Stama, Macron, Maloney, Mertz, |
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