Special edition: Ukraine at the crossroads – with Kyiv’s ex-foreign minister Dmytro Kuleba
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🗓️ 23 August 2025
⏱️ 30 minutes
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| 0:47.7 | Okay. After two weeks of intense diplomatic back and forth between Washington, |
| 1:18.3 | Moscow and Kiev, very little seems to have been agreed by all three sides. |
| 1:23.6 | And the idea of a Putin-Zelensky summit seems much further away than Washington seems to believe |
| 1:30.6 | it is. However, the Ukrainians are still desperate to find some kind of solution to end this war |
| 1:37.4 | on their terms. Now, today we are joined by a very special guest. We have the former foreign |
| 1:42.9 | minister of Ukraine, |
| 1:44.4 | Dmitro Kaleba, joining us on the show. So could you give us your perspective on what's |
| 1:48.5 | happened over the last couple of weeks with regards to, you know, the diplomacy that America has |
| 1:55.1 | been trying with Moscow in Alaska and the seemingly much more impressive show of force from the European leaders that |
| 2:04.5 | went to Washington to back Zelensky up, who seemed to perform much better this time |
| 2:09.4 | round than he did the last time round in the Oval Office with Donald Trump. |
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