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The Daily Beast Podcast

Trump Plotted Secret White House Teardown: Wolff

The Daily Beast Podcast

The Daily Beast

News & Politics

4.67.9K Ratings

🗓️ 29 October 2025

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

Michael Wolff joins Joanna Coles to reveal Trump’s hasty plan to demolish the East Wing and build a massive Trump Ballroom, his push to bypass political limits, and his obsession with control. They break down Steve Bannon’s wild Trump third-term schemes and Melania’s conspicuous absence on the president's Japan trip. Wolff explains how Trump’s real estate instincts shape his decisions in Washington and why Trump’s once seemingly impossible authoritarian dreams suddenly feel possible in an America where business and political leaders are genuflecting to Trump.

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0:00.0

I did hear something and I was recount someone who was privy to the room in which, you know,

0:07.9

this idea he's going to do this ballroom. So when they came to him, the building, the contracting

0:14.5

team, on the engineering team, they came, they had a meeting and they said, you know, listen,

0:20.3

it really would be much cheaper and faster just to tear down the East Wing.

0:28.6

And he said, this was given to me as a quote, he said, fuck. But can we do the demolition at night? Wow. So you know... So the idea would be Washington would

0:41.8

wake up and the East Wing would have evaporated. Michael. Joanna? You were looking like a

0:50.4

crisp autumn leaf, if I may say so today. Well, you know, the time has arrived.

0:55.0

The time has arrived. People can't see it.

0:57.0

No, it's overcoat. My mother used to say never bring out your overcoat until November 1st, but when I got up this morning at 5 a.m.

1:05.0

5 a.m. Well, people can't see that you've got a pair of... What brown is that rich chocolate brown corduroy pants on?

1:15.2

No, no, no. Tobacco.

1:17.1

Oh, tobacco.

1:18.6

Tobacco. I'd forgotten about tobacco.

1:20.7

Although, I do think smoking is making a comeback, actually.

1:23.3

I noticed that in that movie with Julia Roberts called After the Hunt where she smokes a lot.

1:30.6

And that is not something you see very often.

1:33.0

You know, I mean, but as soon as you say the words, I become nostalgic.

1:38.8

Oh, don't start.

1:40.3

All right.

1:41.3

Did you smoke?

1:42.7

Not really.

1:43.8

I lived in France for a bit and I smoked very briefly goulat's untipped until they made me ill and then I never smoked again.

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