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Hello, Pratop.

Hello, Bob. Great to be here.

Great to have you. Let me introduce us.

After asking you how you're doing, though, how are you doing?

I mean, I'm personally fine.

I mean, the world is an interesting place to think about these days, but...

That's a polite way to put it, and we're going to be getting into that, as people will understand after I introduce you.

So, first of all, I'm Robert Wright, editor-in-chief of the non-zero newsletter, to which I encourage people to subscribe.

This is the non-zero podcast.

You are protop meta, if I pronounce that kind of right, M-E-H-D.

Absolutely right, perfect.

It's just perfect, perfection.

And you are a prominent academic political scientist, both in India and in the United States.

You're currently at Princeton for this semester.

You're more commonly found in India.

You're also a noted political analyst and commentator there.

And you figured in a controversy involving the prime minister of India,

Miranda Nodi, that gives you a particular kind of vantage point in a way on what the United States is now going through with Donald Trump.

So let me just say a little more about this, because what I want to eventually do is step back and have you do kind of a compare and contrast broadly on the experience in India under Modi and our

current experience under Trump and maybe even give those of us who are worried about him some

tips on what the most constructive ways to respond are. So as we speak, J.D. Vance,

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