You're listening to Robert Wright's non-zero podcast.

Hello, Paul Bloom.

Hello, Robert Wright.

How are you?

I am just kind of in heaven.

I got to say, I'm very happy.

Let me introduce this first.

Now I'll explain why.

So I'm Robert Wright, editor-in-chief of the non-zero newsletter.

This is a non-zero podcast, you're Paul Bloom, editor-in-chief of the falsely modest newsletter.

Small Potato's world-famous psychologist in what is for now a sovereign nation, Canada.

Enjoy that well, at last.

But if you want to know, Paul, why I'm so delighted, this week we saw, you, I'm about to, I'm

about, look, I've got everybody out there on tinder hooks.

Okay, you're not alone.

And I'm going to let the suspense build, frankly. Okay, now. So, both Donald Trump and Elon Musk staged fairly abject surrenders this week. Let's start with Musk. Paul, you know, nothing cheers me up quite like a headline like this. You see that? What does that say? Tesla is not doing well. Drops of a 71% in

profits. 71% and on the earnings call where Musk kind of explained to a stockholders what was going on,

he basically acknowledged that his whole foray into politics had been bad for Tesla.

It's hard not to deny that.

Well, for Musk, I mean, you know, he's pretty good at denial.

In fact, here's a good example.

He says, as for why there have been protesters at Tesla showrooms, he says, as the New York Times

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