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Trump is Remaking National Security to Enforce His Agenda (w/ Tom Joscelyn)

Bulwark Takes

The Bulwark

News, Society & Culture, Politics, News Commentary

4.71.2K Ratings

🗓️ 5 April 2026

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Just Security's Tom Joscelyn joins Bill Kristol to discuss how Trump and his allies are reshaping the DOJ/FBI, DHS/ICE, and the Pentagon — with major implications for civil liberties, political dissent, and the 2026 elections.

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0:00.0

Hi, Bill Crystal here. Welcome to Bullwork on Sunday and welcome to Tom Jocelyn, my old friend and colleague, many years at the weekly standard where Tom wrote excellent pieces on many aspects of the counterterrorism campaign and the terrorist threat, then from the Middle East, of course, primarily.

0:18.1

Tom is a senior fellow at just security and a senior advisor to democracy

0:22.2

defenders and has written for the bulwark. And we've done this Sunday bulwark once or twice before,

0:27.5

I think, right, Tom? Yeah, we've done a couple of these. That was so much breaking news as we do

0:31.8

this morning. I mean, crazy, right? But I wanted to have Tom on because I think he's been an extremely

0:36.2

shrewd student of the Trump years. I'm going to say this, partly because I think you've studied authoritarianism abroad. And some of the people who are America focused, and I'm probably a little guilty of this myself, is they kind of assume things will still revert back to the American normal. And then they kind of are surprised that, oh, my God, look what he's doing here. But in a way, if you've seen authoritarianism, I think, and extremism abroad, maybe you're

0:58.6

a little less surprised. That way, you've been a good guide to this. So thank you for joining

1:04.7

me and for joining us. Let me begin with the break news. We'll go a little different order than

1:09.9

we planned, but that's fine. The break news is very grateful that our airman was rescued late last night and apparently a daring and impressive rescue operation by the U.S. military, so that's great, and he's back in good hands. So that's awfully good news. We'll learn more details, I'm sure, about

1:29.4

everything that happened as time goes forward. And then, so that's great news. Then this

1:35.8

morning, just a couple of hours ago, President Trump posted on Trump's on Truth Social,

1:41.6

and here we see it.

1:49.4

Tuesday, well, today we're speaking Sunday morning, so Tuesday will be power plant day and bridge day, all wrapped up and one and around.

1:51.3

There'll be nothing like it.

1:52.6

Open the fucking straight, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in hell.

1:56.7

Just watch.

1:57.4

Praise be to Allah.

1:59.1

President Donald J. Trump a little bit. I noticed on the media,

2:03.8

mainstream TV, that treating this as, well, it was kind of an outspoken tweet or a, you know,

2:08.6

a little energetic. I can't remember the term that someone used. It wasn't energetic or something

2:12.9

like that, you know. I don't know. So let's just begin with what I don't want to then. And I just

2:17.3

put the, what we're going to discuss today is how worried should we be about the politicization and radicalization and extremism in our key national security agencies, Justice Department and the FBI, Homeland Security, and DOD. I was going to go in that order, but I think we'll begin with DOD. But anyway, let's talk about the tweet for a minute, and then we can get to talking about

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