But we'll make no progress and heal no wounds by falsely labeling tens of millions of decent Americans as racist or bigots.

We have to get everybody together. We have to be in the same path, I think, Pastor. If we don't do that, we have problems. And we'll do that.

I think we're going to do it very easily. It'll go quickly and it'll go very easily.

Because if you change the name, what you are saying to the men and women who left those forts, who died for this country in many cases,

you are telling them that the institution they left was fundamentally and inherently racist because of the name that is on it. Rather, I'd call the president to have facts before he tweets anything out. He's the president of the United States. The president did have facts before he tweeted out. That undergirded his question. It's a baseless conspiracy theory. It's not a baseless conspiracy. No, not at all. I won't acknowledge that. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the McCrack podcast. I'm your host, Chair Jade Sexton. As always,

I'm joined by my loyal co-host, Nick Hausman. I think we're setting a record today, Nick.

This is, I think, two hopeful podcast in a row from the McCrackke podcast not bad well we have to separate like hopeful

and like sort of slightly uneventful days in between is that is there a distinction there well we're

in a weird we're in a weird moment right now i and and we're in a weird moment within a weird moment

right i mean like we can't be totally hopeful because, as we all know,

the not necessarily the second wave of coronavirus is spiking because it's just been one wave.

And, you know, it's currently happening.

But also, we're in this weird place where the Black Lives Matter protest have really changed everything about American politics for the moment.

For those of you who are unfamiliar, I mean, we've got Americans who are bringing down Confederate statues all around the country.

Every company has basically come out in support of this, which we've got to talk about

at some point.

NASCAR, which for those of you who have listened to enough episodes, I grew up in southern

Indiana in redneck territory.

And I have to tell you, if somebody went back to 1997 or 1998 and told me that NASCAR was going to risk its viewership by

banning the Confederate flag, I don't know that I could have ever foreseen that.

You know, I'm glad you brought that up now because I'm not sold. I don't know if I really

believe that what NASCAR is doing is from a place of

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