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The Owen Jones Podcast

Trump Gaza Threat Is MUCH WORSE Than It's Being Described w/. Heidi Matthews

The Owen Jones Podcast

Owen Jones

News, Politics, News & Politics, Government

4.41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 20 February 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

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0:45.7

Donald Trump's threat to forcibly deport the entire surviving population of Gaza has been widely discussed, although often in quite

0:59.1

disturbing ways, a lot of the Western media reporting has been, you know, using clinical,

1:07.2

euphemistic terms like proposal, for example, you know, as though this is like a business proposal

1:11.9

for discussion rather than a heinous criminal act. But it has been often discussed, including by

1:20.2

those of us who oppose Israel's genocide, in terms of being ethnic cleansing. Now, this is really important, this discussion with Heidi Matthews, who I've interviewed

1:31.4

before, and I often look to on issues to do with international law.

1:36.7

She's an assistant professor of law, Osgood Hall Law School at York University,

1:41.8

and someone who's just been giving exceptional legal commentary

1:46.1

all the way through this particular horror and has raised very important, I think,

1:52.7

critiques of using the term ethnic cleansing in this context and why we should be talking

1:57.6

about genocide. Obviously, we have many of us be using genocide full stop,

2:02.3

but this act should be described as an act of genocide. Hey, Heidi, great to see you. First of all,

2:07.4

thanks for, thanks for joining us from... Good to see you. From snowy Toronto. I know you've been

2:11.9

snowed in, essentially, over there. Three days now at the airport hotel. Oh, that is miserable.

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