Trump Ends His Shutdown — What’s Behind Jackson’s Puzzling SNAP Call?
The Oath and The Office
Corey Brettschneider
4.9 • 591 Ratings
🗓️ 13 November 2025
⏱️ 51 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to another edition of The Oath and the Office. |
| 0:14.6 | I'm John Fuglesang, and everyone, it finally happened. |
| 0:18.0 | Last week, the American voters looked fascism in the face and said, |
| 0:21.9 | you know what, I've seen this movie before. It sucked the first time. Democrats didn't just win |
| 0:26.2 | elections last week. They had an exorcism from California to Maine to Bucks County, Pennsylvania, |
| 0:31.5 | to freaking Mississippi. So it's exactly the right playing field to completely cave on all your demands in exchange for a promise to maybe do something in two months. |
| 0:42.2 | To help make sense of this, let's go to the star of our show. |
| 0:45.1 | Professor Corey Brett Schneider, the man with a PhD in politics from Princeton, a law degree from Stanford, who has classed up the Pollyside Department at Brown. |
| 0:53.2 | And of course, you've read him in |
| 0:54.4 | Politico, The New York Times, CNN, Time magazine. Get a hold of the book, The Oath in the Office, |
| 1:00.7 | a guide to the Constitution for future presidents. Professor Brechtnyder, it has been a crazy week. |
| 1:05.5 | It's great to see you again. Thanks so much, John. And, you know, I love starting with hope and what these election results show really was a referendum, no matter how local the election on Trump and the administration and the assault on democracy. And I think the assault on democracy, people are learning partly through the shutdown, has economic consequences. It has consequences |
| 1:28.9 | for the fact that the government is involved in all sorts of places in our economy, |
| 1:34.9 | from the tariffs and the question of inflation to, of course, basic employment when the |
| 1:39.6 | government shuts down. A lot of people are missing paychecks, and we're going to talk |
| 1:42.9 | about SNAP as well. |
| 1:44.9 | But what I will say is, you know, that one of our themes is, of course, to be honest about this assault on democracy. That's why we call it the oath in the office to hold a president to account, to respect the law, even though this president is doing anything but. But one of the real questions, how do you do that? And elections are, I think, if I had to pick one thing, |
| 2:02.7 | that's the way. And so this is now... anything but. But one of the real questions is how do you do that? And elections are, I think, |
| 2:01.5 | if I depict one thing, that's the way. And so this is now not just a pie in the sky hope that |
| 2:06.4 | will defeat this attempted self-coup, this attempted dictatorship, but it's looking, I'd say |
| 2:11.7 | even the momentum is on our side. Well, Professor, I spent last week on the Nation magazine's 160th anniversary cruise, |
| 2:20.2 | because if you're a comedian at some point, you have to work a cruise ship. I don't know if you |
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