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The Oath and The Office

The Case That Could Finally Stop Trump (with Dahlia Lithwick)

The Oath and The Office

Corey Brettschneider

Government, News, Politics

4.9 • 591 Ratings

🗓️ 6 November 2025

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

This week on The Oath and The Office, Corey and John trace the pattern of Trump’s lawlessness — from unions suing over his surveillance of non-citizens’ social media to his effort to strip gun rights from marijuana users, a selective “law and order” move aimed at his non-allies.

Then Corey sits down with Slate’s Dahlia Lithwick for a wide-ranging conversation about the Supreme Court tariffs case — and what it could mean for the limits of presidential power. Together they explore three central issues: Trump’s abuse of emergency powers, the DOJ’s misleading statements in court, and what Corey and Dahlia agree amounts to a DOJ shakedown.

It’s a conversation about how far Trump’s lawlessness has gone — and whether this case might finally be where the courts push back.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome once again to the Oath and the Office podcast. I am John Fugles-Sang, so humbled and honored to be here, joined by one of my favorite people, the Ivy League professor, the author of the

0:22.8

oath in the office, a guide to the U.S. Constitution for future presidents, the great professor

0:26.9

Corey Brechtnyder.

0:28.3

Corey, I got to be honest.

0:30.1

I wasn't really ready when we started doing this for how colossally popular this podcast would

0:35.4

become.

0:35.9

I feel like we need to, like, I don't know, have like a

0:38.9

stretch limo and some coke and escorts every time we meet up because I just like, it's,

0:43.5

you're the Mac, sir. The response has been so great. Congratulations. Thanks. And thanks to you, John.

0:49.9

I think, frankly, it's the dynamic that people want these in-depth discussions.

0:55.3

And most excitedly, I'm happy to let people know that in the second half,

1:00.6

we're going to have one of the really world's premier commentators on constitutional law

1:05.5

in the Supreme Court, Dahlia Lithwick.

1:07.7

And we had this amazing discussion with Congressman Ted Liu last week,

1:13.9

of course, and that was amazing. We're hearing from listeners about that. What I will say about it

1:19.9

is it's not the normal thing that you would get on, you know, what's your response to the shutdown?

1:25.4

What's your response to that? The normal kind of interview.

1:28.4

We're talking about the structure of our democracy, the threat to it, the ongoing self-coup.

1:34.3

And so what was so important about that is you heard Congressman Liu talk about reclaiming our

1:39.0

Constitution, that we've done it before in the period after Nixon and that he wants to take the lead in doing

1:45.2

it again.

1:45.7

And he already is crafting legislation to rein in presidential power.

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