Hey, I'm Cassie Depeckle, the host of Wanderies against the odds.

In our next season, Amelia Earhart wants to make history by flying across the Atlantic

alone, but brutal weather and malfunctioning equipment could leave her lost at sea.

Listen to against the odds on Amazon Music or wherever you get your podcasts.

Today, we're going to talk about Trump encouraging his supporters to vote twice and commit voter

fraud and getting caught saying some pretty vile things about American service members.

And I interview Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer where we talk about whether Michigan

voters are buying Trump's coronavirus dismissals, his insistence on fomenting violence in American

cities and how Michigan's voting rights are being protected in a state that saw Trump win

in 2016 by only 10,000 votes.

I'm Brian Tyler Cohen and you're listening to No Lie.

Leave it to the guy who has spent all of four years railing against imaginary voter fraud

to then encourage voter fraud.

So here's where we're at.

Trump was in North Carolina for one of his mid-pandemic rallies that definitely won't have any

consequences.

And he said this 600,000 people could vote by absentee in this state.

Are you confident in that system?

They'll go out of their vote and they're going to have to go and check their vote by going

to the ball and voting that way because if it tabulates and they won't be able to do that.

So let them send it in and let them go vote.

And if their systems as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to

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