Now, live on the beat is Trump defense lawyer Joe Takopina. Thank you for being here and taking the questions. Thanks, Harry. Let's start looking at this case. You have these payments. You don't deny that Trump made this payment. No, payments were made, obviously. Is Stormy Daniels... I call them extortion in payments, of course. We'll get into it, right? So the payments are made. Is Stormy Daniels a lawyer? Is Stormy Daniels a lawyer?

Yeah. We'll get into it, right? So the payments are made. Is Stormy Daniels a lawyer?

Is Stormy Daniels a lawyer? Yeah. A lawyer. Yeah, is Stormy Daniels a lawyer?

I thought you were asking, she a liar. She a lawyer? I don't think she's a lawyer. I don't think a lawyer was a lawyer either, but...

Stormy Daniels is not a lawyer. So she's not a lawyer, and these payments were made. And they were, according to federal filings, classified on the Trump side, as legal services. That was false, wasn't it?

The payments were made to a lawyer, not to Stormy Daniels. The payments were made to Donald Trump's lawyer, which would be considered legal fees. Michael Cohen, regardless of what we all know about him now, and hindsight is 20-20,

is a fraud, as a liar, a convicted perjurer, in the Trump world and outside of the Trump world,

with the medallions and all that stuff, was his lawyer at the time and advised him that this was the proper way to do this to protect himself and his family from embarrassment. It's as simple as that. And that money, though, just to be clear on this point, did go to Stormy Daniels. So it wasn't legal fees. It was a payment. Now, went to Stormy Daniels first from Cohen. This was how Michael Cohen structured this, by the way, Okay? It went to Stormy Deals from Michael Cohen. He decided he was going to do it this way and asked for the reimbursement of what he billed as legal fees. That is not a crime. It's not a crime. And more importantly... Well, I didn't, hold on, because we're doing this with piece by piece I didn't say or ask if it was a crime. I'm just trying to get the pieces in place.

You seem to be putting forward a defense.

That's the kind we've heard from Trump before, that while other people are just doing these things, so he's not in on it. The people is his lawyer who's advising him how to do and how to structure a settlement. Yep. How to structure. Yeah. And so let's take a list. And I actually want to jump ahead to something we have.

This is a Trump Cohen recording where you have Trump in the room informed about the nature of some of these payments.

Let's listen to this audio recording.

I need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend David.

I spoke to Alan about it when it comes time for the financing, which will be...

Listen.

What financing?

We'll have to pay you.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

When Donald Trump's talking to Mr. Cohen, as you say at the time, his lawyer and is engaged

and is saying yes and pay with cash, that doesn't sound like...

It means instead of financing the payment over months or years.

Right.

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