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Into the Impossible With Brian Keating

“Trump CUT My Funding.” Here's how I am going to react. Terry Tao - #530

Into the Impossible With Brian Keating

Brian Keating

Physics, Natural Sciences, Science

4.71.1K Ratings

🗓️ 18 November 2025

⏱️ 15 minutes

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What happens when a government abruptly cuts off the lifeline of pure science? Imagine canceling Albert Einstein just before he published [E = mc². Terence Tao, the “Mozart of Mathematics,” was one of the unlucky researchers hit when the Trump administration suddenly terminated his federal research funding. Today, I walk and talk with Tao at UCLA to understand how America’s greatest living mathematician found himself blindsided by a bureaucratic earthquake — and what it means for the future of discovery. This is Part 1 of our deep dive into Tao’s work, his warnings about the collapse of U.S. research infrastructure, and why mathematics is the unseen root system supporting all of modern technology. 🕒 TIMESTAMPS 00:00 – *“Canceling Einstein”* — Tao’s funding cut 00:22 – Who is Terence Tao? 01:17 – Grants suspended without warning 01:27 – New hurdles for international scholars 01:38 – UCLA’s sudden funding freeze 03:00 – Was Tao targeted? 03:38 – Arbitrary rule-changing 04:01 – Trivial reasons for cancellations 04:18 – Policy without process 05:06 – Do we need new funding models? 05:27 – Why federal stability matters 05:52 – The limits of philanthropy 08:42 – Math as the root of modern tech 09:11 – Prizes and public perception 11:35 – The seven great unsolved problems 12:13 – The Navier–Stokes question 12:57 – The problem with prize-driven secrecy 13:37 – Collaboration over competition If you care about ideas, discovery, and the future of knowledge itself — this conversation matters. Part 2 drops soon. Subscribe so you don't miss it. Get My NEW Book: Focus Like a Nobel Prize Winner: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FN8DH6SX?ref_=pe_93986420_775043100 Join my mailing list here 👉 https://briankeating.com/yt to win a meteorite 💥 - Join this channel to get access to perks like monthly Office Hours: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmXH_moPhfkqCk6S3b9RWuw/join 📚 Get a copy of my books: Think Like a Nobel Prize Winner, with life changing interviews with 9 Nobel Prizewinners: https://a.co/d/03ezQFu My tell-all cosmic memoir Losing the Nobel Prize: http://amzn.to/2sa5UpA The first-ever audiobook from Galileo: Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems: Ptolemaic and Copernican https://a.co/d/iZPi9Un 📺 Watch my most popular videos:📺 Neil Turok https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt5cFLN65fI Frank Wilczek https://youtu.be/3z8RqKMQHe0?sub_confirmation=1 Eric Weinstein vs. Stephen Wolfram https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI0AZ4Y4Ip4?sub_confirmation=1 Sir Roger Penrose: https://youtu.be/AMuqyAvX7Wo Sabine Hossenfelder: https://youtu.be/g00ilS6tBvs Avi Loeb: https://youtu.be/N9lUceHsLRw Follow me to ask questions of my guests: 🏄‍♂️ Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrBrianKeating 🔔 Subscribe https://www.youtube.com/DrBrianKeating?sub_confirmation=1 📝 Join my mailing list; just click here http://briankeating.com/list ✍️ Detailed Blog posts here: https://briankeating.com/blog 🎙️ Listen on audio-only platforms: https://briankeating.com/podcast #universe #podcast #briankeating #intotheimpossible #science #astronomy #cosmology #cosmicmicrowavebackground #intotheimpossible #briankeating #terrencetao Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Imagine canceling Albert Einstein right before he discovered E equals MC squared.

0:34.9

That's exactly what happened to UCLA's Terence Town, the so-called Mozart of

0:38.8

Mathematics, when the Trump administration abruptly axed as research funding. The official story

0:43.6

came from political fallout related to alleged anti-Semitism at UCLA. The real story, hundreds

0:49.0

of millions of dollars have been lost for pure science. Today I'm walking and talking with

0:53.1

Professor Terence Tao himself in

0:54.8

part one of a special two-part series with this famed and decorated mathematician. Today we'll

0:59.9

unpack how the world's most famous mathematician went from solving equations to battling bureaucracy

1:04.7

and why the future of American research depends on what happens next. Stay tuned to make sure

1:09.3

you're subscribed so you don't miss part two of our special sit-down

1:11.9

conversation with Terence Tao coming soon.

1:14.3

So Terry, you wrote this very interesting and powerful blog post recently about the situation

1:21.3

on campus funding that was cut, not only for you, but for many members of the UCLA community.

1:26.0

Can you give us the story on that?

1:27.2

Yeah, so it's been a very chaotic six months in general. I think we've been accustomed to a very

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