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Trump Claims Power to Pardon Himself

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🗓️ 5 June 2018

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Can the President pardon himself? Donald Trump thinks so. Gene Healy comments.

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0:00.0

This is the Cato Daily Podcast for Tuesday, June 5th, 2018. I'm Caleb Brown.

0:10.0

The President has made the claim that he can pardon himself.

0:12.8

How does that claim square with the text of the Constitution and with history?

0:16.9

Gene Healy is a vice president at the Cato Institute and author of the cult of the

0:20.8

presidency.

0:21.9

We spoke yesterday. What does the Constitution? of the

0:25.0

president's, we spoke yesterday.

0:23.0

What does the Constitution have to say about the president's power

0:29.0

with respect to investigations

0:32.0

or with respect to the pardon power extending even to the

0:36.7

president pardoning him or herself? Well on the pardon power the Constitution

0:42.3

says that the president shall have the power to grant

0:45.0

reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States except in cases of impeachment.

0:51.0

Now, early Monday morning, President Trump of impeachment.

0:53.0

Early Monday morning, President Trump tweeted out that as has been stated by numerous legal

0:59.2

scholars, I have the absolute right to pardon myself and goes on to say but of course he wouldn't do

1:04.8

that because he hasn't done anything wrong. The question whether the president

1:10.6

has the power to pardon himself is not at all clear. There are

1:14.5

arguments on both sides. The arguments for would be that the president's

1:20.2

power to pardon is extremely broad. The Supreme Court has said that it's unlimited

1:26.2

with the exception stated. The exception being, and you can't pardon himself for committing impeachable offenses.

1:35.6

And, you know, the argument would be he can grant broad pardons for federal crimes.

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