This is the Cato Daily Podcast for Monday, June 4th, 2018. I'm Caleb Brown.

The Cato Institute's Libertarianism.org Project has launched a new podcast, The Pursuit, hosted by producer

Tess Terrible.

I talked with her about the show's presentation of the twin issues of eminent domain and

civil forfeiture and what listeners will find elsewhere in the show.

There are two issues here that you take a deep dive into.

One is civil asset forfeiture or civil forfeiture, as some people call it.

And the other is eminent domain, especially the post-Kilo,

eminent domain, the famous Supreme Court case in 2005.

Suzette Kilo had her home taken by her local town to benefit

a private corporation.

And both of these, depending on the circumstances with them in a domain, it's the government stealing stuff

from people and you take this long deep dive into these twin issues. What was the most surprising thing that you learned about both

forfeiture and eminent domain? Well as many people know after the Kilo case was decided many states reformed

eminent domain many people were absolutely appalled by the decisions and

many states put into reforms that something like Kilo could not happen in their states and we should be optimistic about that but one of the most surprising things I learned with eminent domain is how prevalent

it still is one of the states that did not reform their eminent domain laws was the state of Massachusetts and one of the deep dives that you talked

about happened in the state of Massachusetts where a public school district

is trying to seize land from a private liberal arts college.

And quite often in these eminent domain cases, it's not the only way they could have acquired

the property.

In some, many cases they could have acquired the property, in some many cases they could have bought the property,

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