Hello, everybody, it's Mary Trump here with the great Ruth Ben-Giott.

Luckily enough for me, my friend. Hi, Ruth, how are you?

Hi, Mary, I'm really glad to be in conversation.

Yeah, and especially as we are ending what has been, what feels like perhaps the longest year we've lived through of the last

10. Does that seem that right to you? Oh yeah. Every week is like a month. Every month is like a year

and that's by design. They did the Blitzkrieg. But the effects, it's like we don't even have

time to recover from each thing. They hit us with something else. Plus, there's all the good

things happening with protests and building resistance movement. So there's a lot going on, I think it's safe to say.

Yes, and I want to, I guess let's start there for a second,

because it's very difficult to say to people,

this is by design, they want us to be buried under

by this endless stream of chaos chaos and we need to stay grounded

when the things that are happening are objectively awful and need to be taken seriously.

So what's the anecdote to that? Not an anecdote, sorry, antidote to that if there is one.

I think remaining grounded.

I mean, I personally, if I'm helped by being able to recognize that some of this is a playbook that others have used, including others who have come and gone.

True.

And that's what I try and communicate to people.

But yes, I think it's important to know how much news and which news is good for you and when it's

counterproductive. And these are times that test us individually, test our courage and test our

resilience, but also allow us to get to know ourselves better. Maybe we shouldn't look at the

news all the time. Maybe that's not good for us, things like that. Yeah. So one thing that's

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