Welcome to the next level. I'm J. V. L. here with my best friends Sarah Longwell and Tim Miller of the Bulwark.

Guys, we're down to seven weeks left.

Amy Walter came on to your show yesterday Tim

and said it was a 50-50 race, the polls are starting to look kind of okay for Kamala Harris. I don't want to overstate things.

And there is some other stuff bumping around in there like the voter registration numbers, which if you wanted to look for good signs are good signs.

Tim, would you like to go first? I have a surprising view, this is why I wanted to start with this. I have a view that might surprise people if that's okay from Raincloud Miller.

I found myself with Amy yesterday keeping wanting to be I if you listen to my questions

keep willing to be like are you sure it's as much of a toss-up as you're saying like is it that's

like isn't it looking a little better for Kamla and I kept trying to nudge her

and she wouldn't go there and I love Amy.

She's a good analyst and I trust her and she's finding the whole podcast is worth it just for her one

anecdote which I want to get Sarah's take on in a minute about how college educated

Wisconsin whites went for Biden by 20 and Pennsylvania college educated whites went for Biden by eight,

and that explains why?

Because I wasn't going,

why is Wisconsin better than Pennsylvania?

And there are black people in Pennsylvania.

Shouldn't Pennsylvania be better?

And that was the answer.

It's the college

educated white so I want to get into that with Sarah so it was the whole I guess was

worth it for that one factoid but I just I'm more bullish than her and I kind of

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