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In Milwaukee, they would talk about, you know, white liberals from other parts of the state telling them that they were being brainwashed and that they don't know anything about racism. And they just, they were kind of flabbergasted by it. So for this piece, I've gotten a fair amount of comments from people, you know, Trump critics who are saying, well, why didn't you tell them they were wrong? And why didn't you tell them they don't know what they're talking about? We should be clear that's not going to work or kind of further discrediting Trump in their eyes. It's not going to work.

I'm John Favro, and you just heard from today's guest, Dr. Daniel Martinez-Hossang. Professor Hosseng is a researcher

at Yale, where for the last 15 years, he studied the rightward shift of non-white voters.

So, boy, has that finally paid off. I wanted to talk to him because he just wrote a piece in the Times

about his research, including quite a few interviews he did recently with non-white Trump voters,

many of whom used to be Democrats.

It's a great conversation, maybe more wilderness than offline.

But he does have an interesting theory about the decline of institutions where people gather in person and the rise of online spaces as one driver of this political shift among non-white voters.

So we'll get into all of it.

But before we do, we have a special

guest joining us today to talk through the news. Max Fisher, welcome back. Oh, thanks, man. What a

pleasure to be here. Well, you keep having these, like, cherished, Artura filmmakers on. I assume

to entice me back to the show. And it worked. You really got my jealousy going.

Got to do a second season of Movie Club. How's Brooklyn? Are there any, are there any privately owned bodegas left?

They've all been seized by Zoran. Yeah, has he already seized the means?

I have joined the Zoron Red Guards and I'm actually, I'm

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