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The Dispatch Podcast

Trump and The Restrainers | Roundtable

The Dispatch Podcast

The Dispatch

Politics, News

4.4 • 3K Ratings

🗓️ 11 July 2025

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

Mike Warren is joined by Jonah Goldberg, Sarah Isgur, and Kevin Williamson to react to the latest internal fights within Donald Trump’s White House on Ukraine and explain the logic behind flip-flops on immigration enforcement. The Agenda:—Rogue pause on Ukraine aid—Freelancing at the Pentagon—Trump vs. the restrainers—ICE raids in Los Angeles—Trump’s flip-flop on immigration—The hispanic vote—UFC on the South Lawn The Dispatch Podcast is a production of ⁠⁠⁠The Dispatch⁠⁠⁠, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a non-partisan, conservative perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including members-only newsletters, bonus podcast episodes, and weekly livestreams—⁠⁠⁠click here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Dispatch podcast. I'm Mike Warren. On this week's roundtable, we'll discuss the resumption of military aid to Ukraine.

0:22.5

Has Donald Trump finally soured on Vladimir Putin and who is really in charge at the Pentagon?

0:29.0

Then we'll talk about the situation facing illegal immigrants in Southern California.

0:33.8

And then, and not worth your time, celebrating America's birthday with cage fights at the White House?

0:41.2

I'm joined today by my dispatch colleagues Jonah Goldberg, Sarah Isger, and Kevin Williamson.

0:47.2

Let's dive right in.

0:48.9

Jonah, let's start with you because last week on the Dispatch Roundtable podcast, there was a discussion with our friends and colleagues about the pause on certain military aid to Ukraine.

1:04.0

There was certain munitions, some missiles that were going to be paused.

1:12.2

And things seem to have been completely reversed since then, all because of Donald Trump.

1:19.8

So I want to get into a little bit of what we have learned over the last week or so.

1:28.0

This pause at the Pentagon seems to have been reversed

1:32.9

because Donald Trump didn't know about it.

1:36.9

I mean, that's the reporting that seems to be coming out,

1:39.9

not just from one outlet, but multiple outlets.

1:43.5

This is what the Associated Press had to say.

1:46.5

President Donald Trump's decision to send more defensive weapons to Ukraine

1:50.0

came after he privately expressed frustration with Pentagon officials for announcing a pause in some deliveries last week.

1:58.3

A move that he felt wasn't properly coordinated with the White House.

2:02.9

The Pentagon, which announced last week, that it would hold back some air defense missiles,

2:06.9

precision-guided artillery, and other weapons pledged to Ukraine.

2:10.4

They were concerned about stockpiles.

2:12.6

That was the official explanation.

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