Pam Bondi and Donald Trump pull a deceptive scheme to buy themselves some distance on the Epstein fallout,

and I've got three interviews. I speak with Senator John Ossoff about the Epstein files and his latest rallies in Georgia.

State Representative James Telerico about the Republican gerrymander in Texas and his recent appearance on Rogan and Congressman Jamie Raskin about the discharge petition to compel the release of the files.

I'm Brian Tyler Cohen, and you're listening to No Lie.

So I'm going to make this as simple as possible to understand.

Donald Trump and Pam Bondi just coordinated to straight up con their own base into thinking

that they're seeking transparency with Epstein when in fact they are

doing the polar opposite. We can all agree that the calls to release the Epstein files have hit a fever

pitch. Trump can't escape it. He's dissembling. His always successful strategy of manipulating the

media is falling flat for the first time ever. His excuses are all over the place from claiming that the files don't

exist to claiming that they do exist, but that they're fakes forced by Obama. And so, clearly,

he needed something to take the heat off of himself. He needed to buy himself time. Enter Pam Bondi.

So Trump takes a truth social and says, based on the ridiculous amount of publicity given to Jeffrey

Epstein, I have asked Attorney General Pam Bondi to produce any and all pertinent grand jury

testimony subject to court approval. And Pam Bondi replies, President Trump, we are ready to move

the court tomorrow to unseal the grand jury transcripts, all very official sounding.

They are cosplaying as transparent, but the only thing that's transparent here is the obfuscation efforts. Pam Bondi, as Attorney General, already has access to the Epstein files, the thousands

and thousands and thousands of materials. They're already there if she wants to release them,

but she knows she can't because

there is clearly something implicating Donald Trump. And so instead, she is pretending that the real

treasure here are the grand jury testimonies. Now, first of all, the grand jury testimonies are only a

small fraction of what's contained within the files, maybe 5 or 10% or something around

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