Hello and welcome to another episode of iWay with Jameela Jamil, a podcast against shame.

I hope you're well and I hope you're prepared for a harder lesson than normal because we are

covering the subject of stalking, harassment, the impact on your mom's mental health, violence

against women and how fucked up the justice system is still after all these years

towards survivors. So it's not easy especially if you yourself are a survivor so I want to give you

that warning but I will say it is an amazing conversation because my guest is extraordinary. I've

known her for years. Her name is Eilertra Kueh and I'm very lucky that she came onto this podcast

to tell her story and the stories of others who've been impacted by this level of violence

and I think that she's really special and the reason that her podcast is so successful is multiple

number one podcast is because she is someone who's coming at the subject of murder trials

from an angle that isn't sensationalist. She's a she's a real human being. She really cares about

all of the people impacted. What could have been done differently? All the survivors that are left

behind when someone dies and when someone experiences tremendous violence. We always focus on the killer.

We don't talk about the victim when we don't talk about the victim's families. We just kind of move on

because we're so desensitized. In this episode we talk about a huge historical case that she's

covering on her new season of the storyteller Naked Villainy which is a podcast at season three

and she's making history in this series because she's the first journalist to ever be allowed

to record a real trial live in the room and give her insight seeing as she's been covering this case

for most of her career. So it's really fascinating and I think a really important case because it

brings up a lot of deeply relatable issues. Eilert in this episode also talks to me about her own

experience of being stalked and we go into tremendous detail about that and she was so honest

and vulnerable and talked about the mental and physical aspect of it. We talk about the cost

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