Hey, welcome back to deconversion therapy and your true crime edition because it's just me, Karen.

While Bonnie is enjoying herself and we have some of our files of episodes.

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You get to hear another true crime

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As you know, I'm enjoying taking on some of the true

crime cases that have to do with religion because that is my wheelhouse. That's a language that I know.

And so anytime I hear of a case that involves either perpetrators or victims who grew up in the church or have those leanings and belief systems, I always want to dive in there and be like, oh, wait, I know what they're going through.

I know what's in their mind.

So that's why this one, I think, for a lot of us who grew up in the church, this is going

to be very interesting.

Now, let's get into it.

This time, strap up, we're going overseas to Australia.

You know, the home of the kangaroo, the home of the wombat, the home of Hillsong.

This case comes out of budgery, which is a small town of less than 200 people in Gippslin, in Victoria, Australia.

Now let's go back to 2008. So there was a couple who was dating. They were both

very religious. They came from a religious family. I researched and I could not find what kind of

church they went to or if they were even Mormons. I did the research, but I can tell you that evangelicalism and

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