Welcome once again to the Conversations That Matter Podcast. I'm your host, John Harris,

here with a special guest who has been on the podcast before, but who has so much

more to tell us after, I think, a few years, actually. I think maybe the last time was two

or three years ago he was on. And that is my friend Trevor Loudon, who you can find out more

about if you go to Trevor Loudon.com, purchase his books there.

He has great research also at keywiki.org.

Keywiki.org.

And incredible resource of information there on people's communist eyes, people who you wouldn't think they're communists and they have all sorts of connections.

So Trevor, thanks for being with us once again uh last time we talked it was a different world and that was only i think two or

three years ago um what's changed i mean the conservative movement is fracturing it just it feels

dystopian conservative and the reagan era it was very easy to identify what a conservative was.

You know, you're anti-communist. You stood against the Soviet bloc. You supported our allies.

You supported Israel. You believed in the Constitution. You believed in the Christian foundations of America, and you supported sound education,

you know, government out of the economy as much as possible, etc.

It was pretty, there wasn't a lot of debate on what constituted is conservative today, but now you have the movement

split several ways over issues like Israel, the role of the economy, populism, the role

of the constitution, Dugan, Yavin, all sorts of things. So the Ukraine war is another one.

So yeah, the movement is fracturing, which does not bode well.

But, you know, I have a lot of thoughts on why this is happening.

You know this is probably about me that I'm somewhat of a paleo-con.

I have some Southern conservative sympathies, And I don't see us as an

economic zone. I don't see the United States as a proposition where anyone with any culture and any

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