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The David Frum Show

Treating Friends Like Enemies

The David Frum Show

The Atlantic

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.6 • 2.4K Ratings

🗓️ 9 April 2025

⏱️ ? minutes

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Summary

In the premiere episode of The David Frum Show, The Atlantic’s David Frum lays out his case for a new kind of political conversation—one that rejects the radicalized rhetoric dominating major podcasts. He then details why Donald Trump’s tariffs wrecked world financial markets. David takes apart the excuses offered by tariff defenders, and tries to explain the shock and betrayal felt by America’s allies.  Then, David is joined by the former ambassador to Japan Rahm Emanuel. Emanuel shares the lessons he learned as White House chief of staff during the 2008–09 financial crises—and his assessment of how Democrats went wrong in 2024 and where they can advance from here. Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Subscribe today at TheAtlantic.com/podsub. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:09.3

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0:14.9

Music The Hello, and welcome to the first episode of the David Frum show. I'm David Frum, a staff writer at the Atlantic.

0:53.0

Why another podcast? It's a natural question.

0:57.0

The answer begins with the chart I recently glimpsed from a media studies organization.

1:01.7

It showed that audiovisual content online tended to bunch up at the far extremes of American

1:06.8

political dialogue, the far left and the far right, with the far right having a big

1:11.2

advantage. The center ground lay abandoned and seemingly barren. Now, that's not the way things are

1:18.7

in real life. In real life, most of us are pretty level-headed people, and we approach the world

1:23.8

in a spirit of curiosity, not anger, looking for insights, not insults. Yet, when the sound

1:31.6

comes on and the video comes up, things are suddenly different. And the worst voices get the biggest

1:37.0

audiences. I don't think it has to be that way. In the text edition of the Atlantic, we prove every

1:42.8

day that Americans want something better.

1:45.9

I'm going to try to give them that something better also here in audio and visual content on the David Fromm show.

1:51.5

We shouldn't assume that just because people have deeply reactionary politics, they're necessarily backwards in their technology.

1:58.6

A century ago, in another dark time, fascists outpaced Democrats

2:03.5

and liberals in their mastery of the then-new technology of the radio. Something similar to that

2:09.1

seems to be happening today. We need to meet the worst forces in our society on the battleground

2:15.0

of ideas using the latest tools.

2:18.9

And that's what we're going to try to do here.

2:25.6

You know, when people produce honest information about vaccines, about trade,

2:28.7

but anything else that's important that has unfortunately become controversial,

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