Hello and welcome to being well. I'm Forrest Hanson. If you're new to the podcast, thanks for joining us today. And if you've listened before, welcome back. I am so excited to tell you about today's episode. I've been really looking forward to this. Today we did something

that we've never done on the podcast before. Elizabeth joined me for a guest conversation.

She was a little nervous about it. She did fantastic during this whole thing. And if you're not

familiar with her, Elizabeth is an associate somatic therapist and she's also my fiancé. And we were joined by a very special guest, Dr. Jacob Haum, who is an incredible expert on trauma and complex PTSD. I mostly got to be a fly on the wall while Dr. Homm and Elizabeth talked about being a trauma therapist. What is it like to sit with

clients? How have they been changed by the work that they do? What are some of the major themes

that tend to come up over and over again? They really talked a lot about establishing

relationship and what it's like to be in that relationship with another person who is processing

some of the hardest things that a person can process in life. And I think that this is a conversation

that, of course, you will get an enormous amount out of if you're a clinician or if you're

interested in therapy in general. But I also think there's a lot here if you're just a person

who's trying to deal with this kind of material in your own life. I'm not a therapist, but I feel

like I learned a lot from Dr. Holm and Elizabeth today. And this was just such a cool experience.

It was a very unique conversation. They have kind of a similar vibe and they really just

satin it with each other.

I don't know if that's their nature as people or if that's the way that this kind of work

changes you. I suspect that it's a little bit of both. And I was pretty quiet for most of the

conversation. Episodes of the podcast are typically edited for clarity and length, and this episode is mostly unedited, in part because there was just such a natural flow to the conversation that I wasn't even really sure where to put the edits. It was extremely organic, and I just really hope you enjoy it. So here is my conversation with Dr. Homme and Elizabeth. So

Elizabeth, how are you doing today? I'm really anxious, but I'm hanging on, I'm grounding down.

I'm staying in my body. I'm really excited for this. We've never done a guest interview with Elizabeth before,

but today we're joined by one of my all-time favorite guests on the podcast, Dr. Jacob Homm.

Dr. Homm is a licensed clinical psychologist and associate clinical professor in the Department of

Psychiatry at the Icon School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, and he's also the director of the Center for Complex Trauma there.

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