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I'm Dr. Dan Allender.

And I'm Rachel Clinton-Centen.

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And restoration for the heart.

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Thank you for joining us. Let's get this conversation started. Well, welcome back to a conversation with Abby Wong Hefter, my dear friend, but also co-teacher of a conference that we're going to be doing, July 22nd

and 23rd, unaffective trauma care. And Abby, welcome back. Thank you. Good to be back.

And let's talk trauma. I was a little too buoyant, I think, our last time,

but I still feel pretty excited to engage really the realm of freedom and what indeed dealing

with trauma can open the heart and relationships too. And what I want to, I want people to

have a sense that, yeah, we're dealing with trauma. We're going to deal with vast categories of

trauma, sexual trauma, emotional, relational trauma, spiritual abuse. We're dealing with a broad range of trauma, but I know for many people,

this season of COVID, a season of racial trauma, the season of upheaval has created

just heartbreak for their children. And I was talking to someone the other day

about this conference and they said, I'm so glad you're training professionals to deal with

this. And I said, yeah, me too. And I said, but we're also dealing with professional parents.

And the person looked at me like, what do you mean? And I said, but we're also dealing with professional parents. And the person looked at me like, what do you mean?

And I said, well, you have children, yes.

And they've been traumatized, right?

Yeah.

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