Welcome to the Judge John Hodgman podcast. I'm guest, Baylor Trevelle. Anderson

Philly and for Jesse. We are in Chambers this week to clear the

docket. How is life going for you, Judge? Well, you know, we started doing this

thing where we can see each other. You've been a guest on the show before. We did a

docket clearing with Baylor, Jesse Thorn. Yes. If you don't know and you really

should, Trevelle is the co-host with Jared Hill of the FANTY podcast on the

Maximum Fun Network, which is a great conversation. I mean, it started all the way

back on the 6th of February. Yes. Right. And it started as basically a fun pop

culture fueled podcast of you and Jared talking about problematic

faves. Very much so. Things in culture that you like, but I mean, first episode

of course being Kevin Hart. Problematic faves. Well, it was about the

whole podcast right is about having our tagline is having these complex and

complicated conversations about the gray areas in our lives. The people you

love, but also have anti feelings towards. Right. You have fan of and anti. There we go. And that's

the reason that the show is called FANTY. FANTY, yes. You did one on why white people love

Wakanda, which I cut a little bit close to the bone. I'll tell you. And, you know,

basically you've been leading complicated and hard conversations for a long time. And now

that has naturally intersected with this moment of profound protest and reckoning with systemic

anti-blackness. Yes. And injustice. And I just have to say, you know, last

couple of episodes that I listened to, the conversations were really bracing and inspiring

and smart and funny. I like all those words. And, you know, like everyone, the deal is like,

you got to have these conversations, but it's so hard and it's so emotional. I mean, even for me,

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